Resource of the Week - DISCOVER

Need to research a topic for your assignment? Want to read beyond the textbooks and find articles from quality journals? Try DISCOVER  

What is it?
DISCOVER is a “Unified Resource Discovery” tool, unified because entering your search terms once in a simple Google type box allows you to search across many thousands of journals and our key academic databases. (For more detail on exactly what DISCOVER searches see here) You can search DISCOVER directly from the Library Home page, or search a subject specific group of databases via our LibGuides pages  

Why use it?
DISCOVER will help you to find quality sources for your assignments quickly and easily. Many of your results will appear with a PDF icon so you can open up the article straight away, but you can also use the  "is is @ Liverpool" tool to access the full text of the article.

Reminder: Searching JSTOR? Now search DISCOVER too

New features in JSTOR make it easier to extend your search instantly to look for results from the full Library DISCOVER service.

As you search for something in JSTOR you will see that there is a link ready and waiting to take your search into DISCOVER ('Search... at DISCOVER'). There's also an additional link at the foot of the results page to carry your search forward:

Once you get to the 3rd page of results, you'll also be prompted to try your search in the Library's DISCOVER service:

The link to 'Try your search at DISCOVER' now also appears on the Advanced Search screen:

If you get no results in JSTOR then a much larger DISCOVER search box is displayed!

University of Liverpool Library offers access to over 1300 JSTOR journal titles

DISCOVER is the Library's unified, customised index of University of Liverpool Library resources, print and e-resources, books and journal articles - an easy yet powerful means of accessing what the Library has from one single search box.

It works the other way too. JSTOR content is in DISCOVER as well of course and you can find JSTOR content by selecting JSTOR as the 'Content Provider ' in the left-hand column of your results screen.

TRIAL: Book Citation Index

We have a trial of Book Citation Index (both the Science and Social Science & Humanities editions) until 7th August 2012.

To try the Book Citation Index just access Web of Knowledge and it will be one of the available databases. To search it on its own, click on the Web of Science tab and then choose which databases you want to include in your search at the bottom of the search form.

The Book Citation Index covers over 30,000 "editorially selected" books published from 2005 onwards, and it plans to add over 10,000 books each year. Books are indexed at the chapter- and book-level.

Book Citation Index includes citation counts from journals, conference proceedings and other books, and SFX / find it @ liverpool links to see if the library has the book in print or online.

After trying Book Citation Index please leave your comments below. We are interested to hear if you find content in Book Citation Index that you haven't been able to find in Discover, Google Books or Amazon, for example.. You can choose the anonymous option to comment without needing to have a Blogger account, but it helps if you include your name in your feedback so that we can follow up on comments.

DISCOVER Tip - What does it search? Updated!

It has been well over a year since we told you what DISCOVER searches, so compare the post below with that old post from September 2010. We'll draw attention to some of the key differences - resources in bold below weren't included back then.

When you search DISCOVER your main results can include hits from 61 different databases (was 41), plus 'more results' from another 17 external databases (in the column on the right). In time, those 17 additional databases will expand to 40 databases (see below).

The main search includes 5 multidisciplinary databases:

University of Liverpool Catalogue
University of Liverpool's Institutional Respository
EDS Foundation Index (a huge 'base index' of data supplied directly by publishers)
Academic Search Complete (EBSCO's largest multidisciplinary full-text database)
British Library Document Supply Centre Inside Serials & Conference Proceedings (i.e. Zetoc)

It includes the 3 main components of Web of Science:

Arts & Humanities Citation Index
Science Citation Index
Social Sciences Citation Index

It includes 11 JSTOR segments:

JSTOR Arts & Sciences I
JSTOR Arts & Sciences II
JSTOR Arts & Sciences III
JSTOR Arts & Sciences IV
JSTOR Arts & Sciences IX
JSTOR Arts & Sciences V
JSTOR Arts & Sciences VI
JSTOR Arts & Sciences VII
JSTOR Arts & Sciences VIII
JSTOR Ireland
JSTOR Life Sciences

(We don't have full-text access to Arts & Sciences V, VI, VIII or IX, and only the Biological Sciences subset of Life Sciences, but as we may have full-text access elsewhere we include these resources to ensure that you find out about these articles).

It includes 2 major repository resources:

arXiv - the particle physics, maths, computing pre-print archive
OAIster - a site that searches multiple insitutional and other repositories

It includes 3 publishers' full-text sites where we have full-text access to all/most/a lot of the content:

Oxford Scholarship Online
PsycARTICLES
ScienceDirect

It includes 9 more EBSCO full-text databases that we subscribe to:

Art & Architecture Complete
Business Source Premier (and Regional Business News)
Communication & Mass Media Complete
Computers & Applied Sciences Complete
Dentistry & Oral Sciences Source
Environment Complete
Humanities International Complete
MEDLINE with Full Text
SPORTDiscus with Full Text

It includes 15 indexing and abstracting databases that we subscribe to on EBSCOhost:

AMED - The Allied and Complementary Medicine Database
America: History & Life
Avery Index to Architectural Periodicals
CINAHL Plus
EconLit
GeoRef
GeoRef In Process
Global Health
Global Health Archive
Historical Abstracts
Index to Legal Periodicals and Books
Library, Information Science & Technology Abstracts
Philosopher's Index
PsycINFO
RILM Abstracts of Music Literature

It includes 3 indexing and abstracting databases that EBSCO provide for free to their EBSCOhost customers:

GreenFILE
Library, Information Science & Technology Abstracts
Teacher Reference Center

It includes 6 freely-available databases that have been intergrated into EBSCO Discovery Service with the agreement of their creators (these sometimes, but not always link to freely-available full-text):

Agricola
ECONIS
ERIC
Government Printing Office Catalog
Manuscriptorium Digital Library
National Criminal Justice Reference Service Abstracts

It includes 4 collections from RMIT Publishing. We do not subscribe to these collections but we sometimes have full-text access elsewhere and it is high quality content that we believe you should be able to discover:

Informit Business Collection
Informit Engineering Collection
Informit Health Collection
Informit Humanities & Social Sciences Collection

Our DISCOVER 'subject profiles' (Health & Life Science, Humanities, Science & Engineering, and Social Sciences) search the multidisciplinary databases, plus a subset of the subject specialist databases. Searching one of our 'subject profiles' won't find you anything that you won't find in our main DISCOVER search, but it can help to reduce 'noise' from irrelevant hits and make useful hits more prominent.

Similarly our main search's 'more results' area uses 2 multidisciplinary databases (it was 3 but Web of Science is now included in the main results):

Scopus
ProQuest Dissertations & Theses

and 9 subject specialist databases:

ACM Digital Library
BIOSIS Previews
Cochrane Library
Compendex
IEEE Xplore
Literature Online Criticism
Literature Online Fulltext
MathSciNet
Networked Digital Library of Theses and Dissertations

We have greatly reduced the number of 'more results' databases that we offer. We know that little use if made of this area so we think it makes sense to offer a brief list of key resources rather than a bewilderingly long list.

Our LibGuides list the full range of databases that we have for each subject, regardless of whether or not they are included in DISCOVER searches.

CSA databases withdrawn

We have not renewed our subscription to the CSA databases collection (formerly on the CSA Illumina platform, more recently on the ProQuest platform).

Usage of these databases had declined substantially since we introduced Discover, and analysis of their coverage showed that the journals they covered were already included in Discover and/or other databases like Web of Science, Scopus and BIOSIS.

If you were a regular user of CSA databases please contact your liaison librarian to discuss alternative sources.

Farewell OCLC databases

We have decided not to renew our subscription to a bundle of databases on the OCLC FirstSearch platform (these were the former RLG Eureka databases):

Anthropology Plus
Chicano Database
FRANCIS
History of Science, Technology and Medicine
Index to 19th Century American Art Periodicals
Russian Academy of Sciences Bibliographies
SCIPIO: Art and Rare Book Sales Catalogs

Usage of these databases had always been low, but since we launched DISCOVER usage of these databases has dwindled almost to zero.

These databases have been removed from the catalogue and LibGuides.

Searching JSTOR? You can extend your search to the full Library DISCOVER service

When you search JSTOR for journal articles you can now extend your search instantly to look for results from the full Library DISCOVER service

Whenever you search JSTOR we offer full integration with the Library's DISCOVER platform.

As you search for something in JSTOR you will see that there is a link ready and waiting to take your search into DISCOVER ('Search at UoL'). If you get no results in JSTOR then a much larger DISCOVER search box is displayed to launch your search in DISCOVER!

University of Liverpool Library offers access to over 1300 JSTOR journal titles

DISCOVER is the Library's unified, customised index of University of Liverpool Library resources, print and e-resources, books and journal articles - an easy yet powerful means of accessing what the Library has from one single search box.

It works the other way too. JSTOR content is in DISCOVER as well of course and you can find JSTOR content by selecting JSTOR as the 'Content Provider ' in the left-hand column of your results screen.

DISCOVER now works in Chrome

The recent upgrade to DISCOVER included numerous fixes to accommodate Google’s "surprise major version update". Issues with links, the PDF viewer, etc have been addressed. EBSCO say that official quality assurance support for Google Chrome as a supported browser will be coming in September.

QR Codes in DISCOVER and EBSCOhost

We have now added QR Codes to DISCOVER and to EBSCOhost databases (like Cinahl and Historical Abstracts). You will see them in results lists (in our main profile only) and in Full Record view.

What are QR Codes?

QR Codes are those little patterns of squares you see in more and more adverts, among other places. They are a two-dimensional barcode. The idea is that you take a picture of them on your smartphone (or other mobile device) and then use an app (a free one if you have any sense) to decode the QR Code, which usually means taking you to a web page encoded in the pattern.

Why would I use them?

Here are 3 examples of QR Codes in DISCOVER and why you might find them useful:

1. Search results page

Here's what you'll see on the DISCOVER search results page when you search for 'san andreas fault':





The QR code encodes the 'Permalink' for that search (http://search.ebscohost.com.ezproxy.liv.ac.uk/login.aspx?direct=true&bquery=((san+AND+andreas+AND+fault))&type=0&site=eds-live&scope=site) which you find under 'Alert/Save/Share' at the top of the search results.

If you take a photo of that QR code and have a QR code reader on your mobile device then it will re-run that search for you whenever you like, without having to write anything down or create a bookmark.

2. E-journal article

If you view the full record for any e-journal article it has a QR Code at the end:





Again, the QR Code encodes the Permalink of that article. So if you find a really useful article but don't have time to read it there and then, just snap the QR Code and then load the article via the QR Code whenever convenient.

3. Books and journals in the library

If you view the full record for any book or journal it has a QR Code at the end:





Rather than having to write down or memorise the classmark, just snap the QR Code on your mobile device and take the catalogue record with you as you search the shelves. You can link from the DISCOVER record to the library catalogue record, and then on to our web pages that explain where things are shelved.

Caveats: a search Permalink will always run searches in our main DISCOVER profile, so that is why we don't offer that sort of QR Code in our other profiles (medicine, humanities, etc). And Permalinks will always lead to the full version of the DISCOVER site which might not work too well on a mobile phone. So some of these probably work better on an iPad than for an iPhone for example.

Here are the 3 QR Codes above in full size. Try them out...










The code for this feature was written by Eric Frierson, Digital Services Manager at St. Edward’s University in Austin, Texas. Thanks, Eric. We'll keep an eye on the other ideas he comes up with on his http://thirdpartylibrarian.wordpress.com/ blog.

Index to Legal Periodicals and Books now on EBSCO

Following the acquisition of the HW Wilson Company by (or is that the merger with?) EBSCO, we now have access to Index to Legal Periodicals and Books on the EBSCOhost platform, and it is included in DISCOVER searches (main profile and the Social Sciences profile).

We've updated the links in our catalogue and LibGuides. You'll find it at http://search.ebscohost.com.ezproxy.liv.ac.uk/login.aspx?authtype=ip&profile=EHOST&defaultdb=ilh.

DISCOVER searches more resources

DISCOVER searches now include two key open access sources: OAIster and arXiv.

OAIster (pronounced 'oyster') includes information from a huge number of institutional repositories and other databases that allow their information to be harvested through a standard called OAI-PMH. Most of the content in such sites is free but sometimes you will find content that you can't access and sometimes you will find broken links. Those are the fault of OAIster not DISCOVER! We have included OAIster in all our DISCOVER search profiles.

arXiv (pronounced 'archive' as if the 'X' were the Greek letter Chi χ) is the pre-prints service for physics, maths and computer science. We have included arXiv in the main DISCOVER profile and the one for Science and Engineering.

We have now expanded JSTOR's coverage in DISCOVER to also include the collections that we don't subscribe to. These lack the full-text links to JSTOR (we don't have access there, so what would be the point?) but they may help you to find articles that we have through publisher backfile purchases, or in hard copy in the library, or at least to allow you to try ordering them through ArticleReach.

Similarly we now include Informit content in DISCOVER. Informit covers journals from Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific and even though we don't subscribe to Informit we may have access elsewhere to some of the articles it hosts.

Finally, eBooks from Oxford Scholarhip Online are included in DISCOVER. Data and links are at the chapter level to give your searches more chance of finding relevant content.

CINAHL Plus replaces CINAHL and British Nursing Index

We have upgraded our subscription to CINAHL so that it is now for CINAHL Plus, and at the same time we have dropped our subscription to British Nursing Index. We have updated our links from the library catalogue and LibGuides and we have updated DISCOVER to search CINAHL Plus.

CINAHL Plus provides indexing for more than 4,500 journals from the fields of nursing and allied health, with coverage dating as far back as 1937. Offering complete coverage of English-language nursing journals and publications from the National League for Nursing and the American Nurses' Association, CINAHL Plus covers nursing, biomedicine, health sciences librarianship, alternative/complementary medicine, consumer health and 17 allied health disciplines.  In addition, this database offers access to health care books, nursing dissertations, selected conference proceedings, standards of practice, educational software, audiovisuals and book chapters, as well as Evidence-Based Care Sheets. Searchable cited references for more than 1,340 journals are also included. Full-text material includes nearly 80 journals plus legal cases, clinical innovations, critical paths, drug records, research instruments and clinical trials.

British Nursing Index only indexes 15 journals that are not indexed in CINAHL Plus so we could no longer justify subscribing to BNI too.

If you had any 'permalinks' to CINAHL searches or CINAHL records you need to change occurences of 'db=cin20' to 'db=jlh', e.g. from:

http://search.ebscohost.com.ezproxy.liv.ac.uk/login.aspx?direct=true&db=cin20&AN=2010614901&site=ehost-live&scope=site

to:

http://search.ebscohost.com.ezproxy.liv.ac.uk/login.aspx?direct=true&db=jlh&AN=2010614901&site=ehost-live&scope=site

If you had any permalinks to BNI records then our apologies but these will no longer work.

For full details of searching CINAHL Plus on EBSCO see the CINAHL Support Center.

DISCOVER now includes all JSTOR

We previously reported that JSTOR Arts & Sciences I was now included in our main DISCOVER search results, and now all of our subscribed JSTOR collections are included:

JSTOR Arts & Sciences I

JSTOR Arts & Sciences II

JSTOR Arts & Sciences III

JSTOR Arts & Sciences IV

JSTOR Arts & Sciences VII

JSTOR Biological Sciences

JSTOR Ireland

(Actually it includes JSTOR Life Sciences which is bigger than JSTOR Biological Sciences so you might sometimes be denied access if you follow the link to JSTOR, although by following our find it @ liverpool link you might find that we have access elsewhere, e.g. for Proc. Roy. Soc.).

All the JSTOR collections listed above are included in our main DISCOVER search, but just the relevant ones in our subject profiles on DISCOVER.

Now that JSTOR and Web of Science are included in our main DISCOVER results, we have withdrawn from them federated search results on the right of the screen.

DISCOVER now includes ScienceDirect, WOS, JSTOR

The main search results in DISCOVER now include results supplied directly from:

ScienceDirect (from 2005 onwards)
Web of Science Arts & Humanities Citation Index (from 1976)
Web of Science Social Science Citation Index (from 1930)
Web of Science Science Citation Index (from 1900)
JSTOR Arts & Sciences I

Further JSTOR collections will be added to DISCOVER shortly (and of course in the meanwhile a high proportion of the articles in JSTOR are present in DISCOVER through other sources).

With these collections, clicking on the article title will take you to the full record in DISCOVER as normal, but next to the find it @liverpool SFX link there is a direct link to the full text on ScienceDirect or JSTOR, or the full record on Web of Science.

DISCOVER tip: Known item searching

Sometimes you know the title of the article you want but know little (or nothing) about which journal it was published in, and what volume, issue, page number or year. Yet the library's tools for finding a journal (or journal article) require you to know this extra information.

What do you do? Try DISCOVER!

Since we launched DISCOVER, a couple of key changes have been made which make it much better for this sort of known item searching:

1. It no longer has problems with words like 'an' and 'de' so you can easily just paste an article title into the search box. (It used to assume your were trying to do an advanced search using 'field codes' to tell it which price fields you wanted to search in - the accession number for 'an' and the descriptors for 'de')

2. The search box now lets you specify whether you want to do a keyword search (which used to be the only option), or a title search or an author search.

So here's how to find the article "Explaining development and change in organizations":

1. Go to the main DISCOVER search page at: http://search.ebscohost.com.ezproxy.liv.ac.uk/login.aspx?authtype=ip&profile=EDS

2. Search for "Explaining development and change in organizations" (putting in the quotes), and limit your search to Title

3. The result is a single hit with a link to the PDF in EBSCO, and a find it @ liverpool link which will offer you the same article from JSTOR - and some recommendations of similar articles from the bX recommender service.

Note that:

1. The DISCOVER search boxes embedded in our web pages don't yet have the Keyword / Title / Author options (but they will do soon).

2. Sometimes you will get more than one hit (and sometimes there will be duplicate records for the same item but in the future these should all be combined into a single master record).

3. If you draw a blank, try using the same technique in a database like Scopus or Web of Knowledge, or the ones recommended in our LibGuide for your subject.

DISCOVER: 22 more databases included

We have now added 22 more databases to DISCOVER. The results from these databases all appear in the 'more results' area over on the right of the screen.

We recommend you look at these results from one source at a time. To do so, just click on the name of the resource (e.g. JSTOR) and the screen will refresh to show you the results from that source.

Each record has a 'retrieve item' link:

Click on this link to go out to this item in the database:

The additional 22 databases that have been added are:

ACM Digital Library

Aqualine

ARTbibliographies Modern

ASFA: Aquatic Sciences and Fisheries Abstracts

Biotechnology and Bioengineering Abstracts

The Cochrane Library

Compendex

Conference Papers Index

Credo Reference

ECCO: Eighteenth Century Collections Online

The Economist Historical Archive 1843-2006

EEBO: Early English Books Online

IEEE Xplore

JSTOR

Literature Online

MathSciNet

NDTLD: Networked Digital Library of Theses and Dissertations

Oxford Reference Online

ProQuest Dissertations and Theses Full-Text

SPIE Digital Library

The Times Digital Archive

These all appear in our main DISCOVER search and will be added to our subject-focused searches soon.

They are offered in addition to the 16 databases that were already included in the 'more results' area:

Scopus

ISI Web of Knowledge

ASSIA: Applied Social Sciences Index and Abstracts

BHI: British Humanities Index

Biological Sciences

BIOSIS Previews

CSA High Technology Research Database with Aerospace

DAAI: Design and Applied Arts Index

Environmental Sciences and Pollution Management

Linguistics and Language Behavior Abstracts

Oceanic Abstracts

Oxford Music Online

The New York Times Archive

Social Services Abstracts

Sociological Abstracts

Worldwide Political Science Abstracts

Partnership with OUP for Oxford Bibliographies Online

The Library is delighted to announce it has entered into a one year partnership with Oxford University Press to help shape development of its exciting new resource Oxford Bibliographies Online.

The Library will offer staff and students at the University the opportunity to feed into the evolution of this resource through focus groups and questionnaires. In return for our help in developing the resource, Oxford University Press will grant us perpetual access to one of the subject bibliographies within the trial, regardless of whether we then choose to subscribe to the resource as a whole.

In the publisher’s words, “Oxford Bibliographies Online helps researchers and students find reliable sources of information to aid their research from within the enormous amount of print and online material available to them.

You can:
• Read a narrative guide to a subject area to get an overview of the subject before beginning detailed research
• Use the bibliography and supporting text provided to conduct more detailed research
• Get an overview of the best scholarship available whether it be a book, chapter, journal, website, or database from both subscription and free resources
• Use a resource that is editorially monitored by an Editor-in-Chief and Editorial Board made up of leading academics in the field from around the world to aid your study
• Keep up-to-date with the latest scholarship in your field as the site expands to reflect newly available material”

Bibliographies in the following subjects are already available, with more to come through the year:
• Atlantic History
• Classics
• Criminology
• Islamic Studies
• Philosophy
• Renaissance and Reformation
• Social Work

You can access Oxford Bibliographies Online through the library catalogue or through LibGuides. Off-campus access is provided through EZproxy as usual.

If you wish to be involved, and/or want more information about Oxford Bibliographies Online, please contact Martin Wolf.

DISCOVER tip: not enough results?

If a DISCOVER search produces few (or no) results, click on the Refine Search option under the search box:

and select the option to also search within the full-text of articles and search again.

You should now find far more hits, but some of them will probably not be that relevant.

We turn off 'also search within the full-text of articles' in the default settings because we found that it often leads to too many irrelevant hits, but it is a useful trick to use when necessary. Note also that full-text searching is only available for a proportion of the records in DISCOVER, so choosing this option will tend to promote those records over ones for which full-text is not available (which is another reason why we leave it turned off by default).

If you find you usually get better results with this option turned on then you can Sign In to DISCOVER to register for a personal EBSCO account that will allow you set this option as one of your preferences.

GeoRef, RILM, Philosopher's Index on EBSCOhost

We have transferred our subscriptions to the GeoRef, RILM Abstracts of Music Literature and Philosopher's Index databases from CSA Illumina and OvidSP to EBSCOhost. This will mean that these databases will continue to be included in DISCOVER searches (as they have been for a trial period).

You can search these databases singly at:

GeoRef
http://search.ebscohost.com.ezproxy.liv.ac.uk/login.aspx?authtype=ip&profile=EHOST&defaultdb=geh,guh

RILM
http://search.ebscohost.com.ezproxy.liv.ac.uk/login.aspx?authtype=ip&profile=EHOST&defaultdb=rih

Philosopher's Index
http://search.ebscohost.com.ezproxy.liv.ac.uk/login.aspx?authtype=ip&profile=EHOST&defaultdb=phl

You can also search your choice of EBSCOhost databases (other than by using DISCOVER of course) by clicking Choose Databases.

For example, you can search RILM and Music Index together:
http://search.ebscohost.com.ezproxy.liv.ac.uk/login.aspx?authtype=ip&profile=EHOST&defaultdb=rih,mah

TRIAL: Oxford Bibliographies Online

We have a trial of Oxford Bibliographies Online (OBO) until 30th November.

To access this trial go to http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/. Off-campus users should use Apps Anywhere, but if we did subscribe to OBO we would of course set up off-campus access via EZproxy as normal.

Oxford Bibliographies Online (OBO) is a tool designed to help busy researchers find reliable sources of information quickly by directing them to exactly the right chapter, book, website, archive, or data set they need for their research. It is a springboard for new research that allows for fluid movement between texts and databases within a given institution’s collection and beyond. It is a starting point for organizing a research plan, or for preparing a writing assignment or syllabus. The style and approach is accessible to students, but the depth of coverage makes it of great use to faculty as well.

OBO is a library of disciplined-based subject modules. In each subject module, leading scholars have produced a literary guide to the most important and significant sources in an area of study they know best. The guides feature a selective list of bibliographic citations supported by direct recommendations about which sources to consult. Each topic has a unique editorial commentary to show how the cited sources are interrelated. The citations promote discoverability as they link out to the sources via your library collection or through Google books and more.

OBO brings quality assurance and authority to online research. All articles receive multiple peer reviews and editorial board vetting to provide reliable and balanced coverage. Articles are regularly updated by their authors so that information in this resource is always current and accurate. In addition to updating existing articles, new topic guides are added on a regular schedule to expand the scope and extent of each subject module in the library.

Our trial includes all of the currently available modules:

Atlantic History
Biblical Studies
Buddhism
Classics
Criminology
Islamic Studies
Philosophy
Renaissance and Reformation
Social Work

Several more modules will be released in the next year:

Winter 2010:

Medieval Studies
Hinduism

January 2011:

Communication
International Relations
Public Health
Victorian Literature

Coming in 2011:

Anthropology
Cinema and Media Studies
Education
Latin American Studies
Linguistics
Music
Political Science
Sociology

After trying Oxford Bibliographies Online, please leave feedback through the comments section below, specifying which module(s) you are refrring to if possible. You can choose the anonymous option to comment without needing to have a Blogger account, but it helps if you include your name in your feedback so that we can follow up on comments.